Text massaging between Haqqani and Mansoor Ijaz

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Transcripts of Blackberry messenger conversations between Hussain Haqqani and Mansoor Ijaz.

18 November,2011 10:07 pm

05/09/2011 12:31 HH: Are you in London? I am here just for 36 hours. Can we meet for after dinner coffee or sthing?05/09/2011 12:32 MI: Im in Monaco but its no problem for me to fly up. Takes 90 minutes. What time did you have in mind? Where do you want to meet?05/09/2011 12:35 HH: Pls call me. Im at the Park Lane Intercon 442071060900 room 43005/09/2011 12:35 HH: Waiting for ur call now 05/09/2011 13:37 MI: Could access to the 3 stooges who widow the man be arranged as part of the bigger picture?05/09/2011 13:39 HH: I am sure that can be arranged upon formal demand05/09/2011 13:40 MI: That is critical to breaking apart the system outside - and understanding what was going on inside. Would we get candor and truth or some brainwashed jargon?05/09/2011 13:40 MI: The calls to Isphanis people have been made. Very very receptive reaction so far05/09/2011 13:44 HH: If my friend and I feel sufficiently empowered in relation to the bad boys, I will ensure we get candor05/09/2011 13:45 MI: Got it. Let me see if we cant get you a sledge hammer with a golden handle05/09/2011 13:47 HH: Would be nice05/09/2011 13:47 MI: Im sending you a PIN message that others cannot see. Please respond. Thanks05/09/2011 13:48 HH: Okay. Thx05/09/2011 13:54 MI: Message by PIN sent05/09/2011 13:56 HH: Okay05/09/2011 14:22 MI: Message has been delivered to Isphani. Receptiom positive but I need you to agree to do something. Can I call you?05/09/2011 15:02 MI: Please PING when you can talk and on what number. Time sensitive05/09/2011 15:05 HH: Entering No 10. Can speak on cell after an hour05/09/2011 15:05 MI: Okay. Ill wait for your PING05/09/2011 16:09 HH: PING05/09/2011 16:09 HH: PING05/09/2011 16:09 HH: Pls call on cell now 1617953283505/09/2011 16:10 HH: PING05/09/2011 16:19 MI: Sorry. Was stuck on call to DC. Pls ping again when ready05/09/2011 18:26 HH: PING05/09/2011 18:27 MI: Tried you. Phone says unavailable05/09/2011 18:38 MI: The message I sent is what MM will see. It will be given directly to him and no one else05/09/2011 18:59 MI: My friend in DC simply said too many people have been burned in the past two years on the US side and he wanted to insure that on such a sensitive subject, the data and proposal are clear. This is you to me, me to him. He trusts me enough to know I wont bring it forward unless it has top level approval. He does not need it with any email addresses etc. He will scrub that in any event. If you want names to be mentioned, yours, JK, MD, etc, I will do that in person. So get whatever message you want delivered back to me and Ill insure it gets in MMs hands. Best. M05/09/2011 19:02 MI: By the way, the interesting thing is that they consider AZs approval of the message worth more than anyone else in country right now. How do you like that?05/09/2011 20:43 MI: I have additional information you need to hear. Ping when I can call you please05/09/2011 21:10 MI: Would it be safe to say that you dont want to run this up your flagpole because you need to work this deal from the middle out? Tell me if thats the case and Ill use a different approach that does not require something in writing. What would then be helpful is if I could simply have a BBM saying my talking points are correct, or not, and then you set your table, Ill set my table and make sure you are an honored guest at my table when the party begins. If youre good with that, I just need your okay on the talking points. No need to run it up the az-pole, if you get my drift. M05/10/2011 00:29 HH: Msg recvd. Tweaking. Middile of road option sounds good. Will call morning.05/10/2011 00:29 HH: PING05/10/2011 00:37 MI: Will you be sending me your tweaks or am I to use my copy as final? If tweaks are short, I can call you to get them05/10/2011 08:47 MI: You have mail from two of my mailboxes. Please read, respond and then we have one last short discussion before I put everything in motion. Thanks. M05/10/2011 12:45 MI: I was just informed by senior US intel that GD-SII Mr P asked for, and received permission, from senior Arab leaders a few days ago to sack Z. For what its worth05/10/2011 13:08 HH: Thanks. Very useful 05/10/2011 13:09 HH: My friend and I agree with middle option. Go ahead05/10/2011 14:57 MI: Message delivered with caveat that he has to decide how hard to push - we only set the table. He must decide if he wants one course meal or seven course meal. Ball is in play now - make sure you have protected your flanks05/11/2011 12:33 MI: Ive been asked to find out what time your meeting is today. Response so far indicates they are having a hard look, although they find it nearly impossible to believe anyone could deliver such results... to be expected, I suppose. Hope you got home okay. Did you see Mush while in London?05/11/2011 14:59 MI: PING05/12/2011 00:36 HH: Call me on my cell05/12/2011 00:37 HH: Also, M in ur msgs above referred to the Admiral, right?05/12/2011 00:37 MI: Yes05/12/2011 00:54 MI: Clarification. M at the end of a message is Mansoor. M or MM in the text of a message is the admiral. Apologies for any confusion. BBM when free. Ill call you. Whether it is shattering news or not is up to you to decide05/12/2011 01:47 MI: I just received an email from my link to MM independently confirming what you told me by phone. He says MM was appreciative of our intervention and utilized the data to advise and consent05/12/2011 02:47 HH: Thanx. On way to Isloo. Will touch base on return05/12/2011 02:54 MI: Good luck. Let me know at any time if you need any helpDetails of chat between MI and HH after his Financial article was published until the first week of November, 2011:HH: you can keep saying you delivered a message and show bbm convos to prove itHH: Basically you dont get itHH: You have given hardliners in Pak Mil reason to argue there was an effort to get US to conspire against Pak MilHH: You are a US citizenHH: You are supposed to look after US interestsMI: I wrote one article. Have not said one word on the record since then to anyone. I think your press is working both sides against the middle, trying to force something out of anyone they can. Period. I dont play in that gameHH: In Pak political situation, getting burned as a US stooge undermines ones effectivenessHH: I will make sure FO shuts upHH: Let this die downHH: We are in the rightHH: We will still make things happenMI: Okay, well I know my IQ is pretty low so you are probably correct in saying I just dont get it.HH: The Pak press be damnedHH: I stand by you as a man of integrity werving his countryHH: You dont let ppl back home argue I play for your team, not oursMI: But from my point of view, if there was a real threat, as you stated at the time, it is clear you were trying to save a democratic structure from those hawksHH: You get to write the book on how you changed US-Pak dynamic and won the war in Atan (w/ some help from a Paki nerd) :DMI: I was happy to get the message in the back door because it served American interests to preserve the democratic civilian setup and the offers made, if achieved, were very much congruent with American objectives in the regionHH: True that, friend. But you know premature revelation aint goodMI: As far as I can see, we did right. Unless there is something I dont see here. But then Im sorta dumb from down on the farm where them hillbillies liveHH: Hey Dont run down hillbilliesHH: Even the smartest can miss a piece of the puzzleHH: You are assuming there are no powerful men in Pak willing to break w/ US. Premature revelation gives those ppl reason to claim conspiracy, treasonHH: That is all you missed. Period.HH: And no one else might tell you this, youre becoming irritable and losing your sense of humor as you grow oldHH: Let this one go. There is much to do. MUCH. And then, theres the beach where Ive been waiting to be invited, the slum boy visiting the millionaireMI: Im not a millionaire. But I do know a nice piece of beachHH: Im not a slum boy either but I know how to make friends with smart people with a sense of history :PMI: Jesus, then what the -- are you doing hanging around with me? =DHH: Well make things happen and if we cant, well write a book about itHH: Who said I was hanging around with you. A minute ago I thought you were about to hang me :DMI: :O MI: Really?HH: Look, Isloo is a mess. Journos gone wild. Politicos scared of mil. Mil scared of Yanks.MI: Tell me one important thing. Who likes you and who hates you in the US establishment? Who wants you to stay and who wants to -- you up?HH: The debate abt your oped has caused my detractors to put pressure on my bossHH: In US estab, I can count on Leon and PetraeusMI: I thought YOU were the bossMI: Who is against you?HH: Folks at State dont like meMI: Why?MI: Too close to AZ?HH: They think I am too mixed up w/ DoD and others and do not help them cut deals w/ Pak milHH: Close to AZ bit tooHH: They are wrong re DoD and others.HH: It is just that becoz of Atan, they are more imp than StateMI: I always thought HRC was one of your fans. She even has a lady from our parts working with herHH: It is folks at State who got pissed off by your missionHH: She may be but I was Holbrookes buddy so everyone who hates him hates meHH: I have no time for just pushing paper aroundHH: State likes processMI: Which mission? Sudan, Kashmir, there were so many they got pissed off about. I showed them how to do real American diplomacy and that was like a big pile of shit on their desk they couldnt swallowHH: Conferences, statements-with nothing changingHH: The latest oneMI: Yeah, I got it. Youre rightMI: Anyway, State will always hate me because I dont accept their muddling way of doing thingsHH: I dont know for a fact but I wont be surprised if the FO statement was prompted by someone hereHH: Robin Raphel is back as Grossmans deputyHH: You stepped on her toes w/ Kashmir missionMI: That would be typical. But Grossman knows me and he knows how serious I am. Raphael still hates me for the Kashmir intervention where she did everything she could to fuck me upHH: And now they hate me more when folks back home who hate me tell them you and I might have been together on sthing (whether we were or not is irrelevant to them)HH: Grossman is good but he doesnt like anyone playing a larger than life role. Old schoolHH: Thats why I have been requesting you to let this one goMI: Yeah I know. Found that out when he was our lobbyist. But hes a good guyHH: That takes attention off meMI: Hmmmmmmmmm....... Not sure anything could take attention off youHH: I try and make peace with State and focus on battles at homeHH: HaHa :D MI: Diplomacy at its finest HH: Yeah, right But at least I shd not be painted as playing for your teamMI: Why not? You were a good quarterback for those three daysHH: I want to solve -***ing problems not fight a rearguard action all the timeHH: :xHH: Let us wait and see if Hillarys latest foray changes things in any directionMI: Did we really solve a true problem or was this all smoke and mirrors?MI: I mean on those days of stress...HH: View here is that everyone in Isloo sucksMI: Thats pretty much trueHH: Too early to say re solutionMI: But if they all suck, then what did we save - a sinking ship that was going to sink anyway???HH: And there is a genetic problem at that end, predisposed to going round and round in circlesMI: Yup Thats for damn sureHH: I think we save the situation from an extremely violent outcomeMI: How can you solve the problems you understand so well from here if all the people in charge over there are wrong? Its only one year til we have a change in the US. Then you really wont like who we have hereHH: I mean, Iran might have done better if the Shah had been saved AND some true reform introducedHH: Actually, I think the new ppl here might be better to deal withHH: They wont take lies easilyMI: Dont bet on it. We have a lot of extremists cropping up and seeping into the systemMI: They dont trust anything PakistaniMI: Dont matter what it isHH: Well, in that case find me a cheap piece of beach :)MI: Cain, Romney (who hates Muslims), Perry - its all the same crapMI: Hmmmmm, yes, I can arrange thatMI: Why is Z such an idiot?HH: But dont go off writing opeds abt arranging piece of beach wout consulting first :PHH: HaHa Tough questionHH: I have a speech in 20 mins so lets keep that for laterHH: Bye for nowMI: Okay. Good luck.HH: Thank youMI: Hi buddy, I understand you/ your foreign office hacks are commissioning hatchet pieces against me. Unfortunate.... very unfortunateHH: I will enquire and stop them. Theres no need for any of this.HH: You havent helped by engaging so much w/ Pak media.HH: What happened to the silent soldier?MI: I issued a statement that was designed to put an end to all of this after Imran Khans rally nonsense. But be that as it may, Im not going to tolerate character assassination in any of thisHH: I agreeHH: Will do my best to prevent itMI: Roger thatHH: Focus on your policy message instead of who did what and we can turn this aroundMI: Please remind your boss that his beloved wife, who later became a good friend of mine, tried the same bullshit tactics in 1996 when Maleeha was envoy - result: her government was dismissed in Nov 1996.MI: Im not someone he can mess around with. He better get that message from me and really understand itHH: My response to Imran was very simple and true: I did not write a treasonous letter and if Imran has a copy, he should present itHH: I dont think your threatening helpsMI: Thats true from my point of view as well. But politicians are politiciansMI: I dont make threats. I state facts. Your boss needs reminding of the factsHH: Are you sure your side wont deny?MI: No, maybe they will. But that would also be a mistake. Too much proof on that side as well.HH: But does proving help anything?HH: Is it not the nature of a private mission that officials deny it?MI: Dont know. Dont care. My point is simple - Ive said what I was going to. Attacks on my person will not be tolerated. And my statement stands. Stop telling lies about me and I might just stip telling the truth about youHH: If you were to listen to my advice, you would let this blow over and prove yourself afterwards. You are the one who will outlast the flying shit :)HH: That is usually my strategy: be there when the others have self-destructed or blown overMI: Ive kept to my word - if everyone wants to call it a fabrication and make me the fall guy, then gloves come off and its not going to be fun or pretty for anyoneMI: You did something you thought was right outside channels because you felt it would be the most effective way to get the job done. I helped you execute. I havent thrown you under the bus. But be damn sure I wont let anyone do that to meHH: Ill do what I can to keep it prettyHH: I havent. I wont.MI: By the way, I know a lot more than you give me credit for about the circumstances that led to May 1 and your role in all that. Just FYIHH: Honorable ppl stick with one another. Take care.MI: ;)HH: I am maintaining silence so pls check with me before reacting if some Pak journo attributes anything to meMI: Its interesting (and heartening) to see that many of the proposals made in the memo are now being implemented in the bilateral relationship. Very good